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A conversation with Vernon Reynolds

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NEXT TALK #18(A & B) A CONVERSATIOn WITH VERNON REYNOLDS

A Conversation with Vernon Reynolds

Sunday April 16th 2023 (9am UK time)
(3rd Sunday in April - after Easter)


Roede et el (1991) is a title anyone interested in the so-called "aquatic ape hypothesis" should have on their bookshelf. It is the proceedings of the 1987 Valkenberg Symposium, Aquatic Ape: Fact or Fiction? This was where a group of scientists and other interested academics gathered in the Dutch town near Maastricht to debate what was, at the time, a very hot topic in the field of physical anthropology.


The book is still one of the most important, and certainly the most balanced, on the subject, presenting eleven chapters for and eleven against, rather like a football cup final.


The key person with the unenviable task of editing the proceedings and coming up with a suitable form of words to summarise the conference was the famous primatologist, Vernon Reynolds.


His carefully chosen words in the final chapter are, perhaps, the most important written on the subject: "... I do not think it would be correct to designate our early hominid ancestors as 'aquatic'. But at the same time there does seem to be evidence that not only did they take to the water from time to time but that water (and by this I mean inland lakes and rivers) was a habitat that provided enough extra food to count as an agency for selection."


These words made a big impact on a few interested readers. Another famous primatologist, Colin Groves, for example, picked up on them in his book review of Roede et al in 1993. When I read them in the late 1990s I thought "at last! some common sense on the subject".


Vernon's words were used in the attempted relabeling and definition of the idea as "waterside hypotheses of human evolution" and his interest indirectly led to the start of this WHAT Talks series.

His conversation with Simon Bearder on the subject a couple of years ago inspired Simon to make contact and provide the impetus for this series of talks.


So, who better than Vernon to discuss these ideas today? 


Vernon chose not to give a formal talk in the way most guest speakers have here and preferred a more informal conversation format for which it was an absolute pleasure and privilege to oblige.


The conversation was recorded and then a second meeting was held to talk about things that had been missed. The recording of the second was appended to the first and the resulting (fairly long) video will be posted here soon as WHAT Talk #18a.


We talked at length about Vernon's impressive career and then focused on Valkenberg. What aspects of waterside hypotheses did Vernon think were most compelling back then, and how might the debate have changed in the 36 years since?


A truncated version of the conversation will be made and presented 'live' at the next WHAT Talks meeting on 16th April at 9am UK time.

 

Vernon Reynolds – short bio


Born 1935 

Collyers School, Horsham, Sussex 1946-53

Army service (Royal Artillery) 1954-56

First degree was in Anthropology at University College London 1956-9

PhD on rhesus monkeys 1959-62

Chimpanzees in Uganda 1962 to the present day with interruptions

Taught Anthropology at Bristol University 1966-72

Taught Biological Anthropology at Oxford University 1972 – 2001

Professor of Biological Anthropology, Oxford

Fellow of Magdalen College, Oxford

1990 Founded the Budongo Conservation Field Station in Uganda (www.budongo.org) 

Now retired and living in Sussex since 2001, with annual visits to the Budongo Forest, Uganda

Married to Frankie Reynolds since 1960, 2 children and 5 grandchildren.

WHAT TALK #18a VERNON REYNOLDS

Part One
The original recorded conversation with Vernon Reynolds (on 16th February) and subsequent meeting (on March 7th) to discuss anything we thought we'd missed.

ROEDE et al (1991)

Aquatic Ape: Fact or Fiction

The Proceedings of the Valkenberg Conference 1987.


Part 1 : The Aquatic Ape Theory

1 The Origins of a Theory (Elaine Morgan)

2 Why a New Theory is Needed (Elaine Morgan)

3 The Evolution of Genus Homo: Where it Happened (Leon P LaMuniere)

4 Is an Aquatic Ape Viable in Terms of Marine Ecology and Primate Behaviour? (Derek Ellis)

5 Aquatic Features in Fossil Hominids? (Marc Verhaegen)


Part 2: Reactions to the Aquatic Ape Theory: For and Against.

6 The Refutation that Never Was: The Reception of the Aquatic Ape Theory, 1972-1987 (Graham Richards)

7 Does the Geological Evidence Support the Aquatic Ape Theory? (Martin Pickford)

8 Adaptation and the Aquatic Ape (Alan Turner)

9 The Aquatic Ape Theory, Seen from Epistemological and Palaeoanthropological Viewpoints (Holger and Sigme Preuschoft)

10 What Constitutes an Aquatic Mammal? (Paul Leyhausen)

11 Human Regulation of Body Temperature and Water Balance (Marc Verhaegen)

12 Adipose Tissie in Human Evolution (Caroline Pond)

13 Body Hair Reduction and Tract Orientation in Man: Hydrodynamics or Thermoregulatory Aerodynamics? (Peter Wheeler)

14 Human Respiratory Adaptations for Swimming and Diving (John Patrick)

15 The Significance of the Human Diving Reflex (Erika Schagatay)

16 The Burden of Locomotion in Water: Could the Aquatic Ape Have Overcome It? (Joseph Ghesquiere and Helene Bunkens)

17 The Non-Aquatic Ape: The Aquatic Ape Theory and the Evolution of Human Drowning and Swimming (Jan Wind)

18 Do Aquatic Mammals Provide Support for the Aquatic Ape Theory? (Machteld Roede)

19 More Thoughts on the Aquatic Ape Thoery (5 short pieces)

20 Aquatic Man (Machteld Roede)


Part 3: General Conclusions

21 Cold and Watery? Hot and Dusty? Our Ancestral Environment and Our Ancestors Themselves: an overview. (Vernon Reynolds)

22 Epilogue: Is There a Future for the Aquatic Ape Theory?

Supporting Files 1/2

For anyone who does not have a copy of Roede et al. Here are PDFs of the chapters.

Roede_00_Preface (pdf)Download
Roede_00Contents (pdf)Download
Roede_01_Morgan (pdf)Download
Roede_02_Morgan (pdf)Download
Roede_03_LaLumier (pdf)Download
Roede_04_Ellis (pdf)Download
Roede_05_Verhaegen (pdf)Download
Roede_06_Richards (pdf)Download
Roede_07_Pickford (pdf)Download
Roede_08_Turner (pdf)Download
Roede_09_PreuschoftNotes (pdf)Download
Roede_10_LeyhausenNotes (pdf)Download
Roede_11_Verhaegen (pdf)Download
Roede_12_Pond (pdf)Download
Roede_13_Wheeler (pdf)Download

Supporting Files 2/2

... and the rest.

Roede_14_Patrick (pdf)Download
Roede_15_Schagatay (pdf)Download
Roede_16_Ghesquiere (pdf)Download
Roede_17_Wind (pdf)Download
Roede_18_Roede (pdf)Download
Roede_19_MoreThoughts (pdf)Download
Roede_20_ Aquatic Man (pdf)Download
Roede_21_Reynolds (pdf)Download
Roede_22_Epilogue (pdf)Download
Roede_AuthorIndex (pdf)Download
Roede_SubjectIndex (pdf)Download

Last talk #17 - Jonathon Foss. Sunday 12th March 2023

Identifying the Aquatic Adaptations (AAs) in Modern and Archaic Humans

Sunday March 13th 2023


Highlights...

Saint Olaf College, B.A. Biology 1987 

Level 5 ASCA Swim Coach 

Work History 

• Coach, Foxjet Swim Club 1987 to 1995, 8 Overall State Championships, 12 national records, American Record Holder. 

• Over 25 years as CEO of one of the world’s largest and most successive swim schools.

• Wrote curriculum that now teaches Two million lessons per year. 

• Aquajet Swim Club Founder/Coach 2002-08, Fastjet Swim Club 2007 to 2018, 40 national records, 30 state championships, 2 American Records, 2 Olympians. • Designed, built and financed $40 million commercial buildings. • CEO Vitamin C solutions LLC. 2019 to present. 

Miscellaneous: 

• Wrote unique curriculum for swim school and competitive training. 225 skills and techniques called KADS. 

• Collegiate NCAA All-American, Masters All-American.

• Top 10 finisher Masters World Swimming Championships 2004 

• Keynote speaker to 2002, 2002, 2006, 2008 Swim School ANZUS Conferences, 2010 ASCTA Australia Gold Coast, 2012 NZSCTA Auckland, 2014 WADC Malmo Sweden 

•  Board of Directors 

• Awarded five U.S. Patents 

• Author: The Oxenforders Begin to Swim” 2021


Talk Outline

  

  1. Introduction of Jon Foss and what expertise does he bring to to the Aquatic Adaptation theory.  Competitive Swimmer, Coach, Teacher, Inventor and Entrepreneur Jon founded and owns aa 50million / year swimming lesson business in the 6 Midwest states in the USA. Jon developed a unique proprietary curriculum competitive training program then a successful Learn to swim curriculum for ages 6months to 95 years and has been successfully implemented in 24 schools teaching 40million lessons since 1993.  All      instructors trained, by Jon Foss and his team of experts.  Foss Swim School won an Emmy for Drowning is a Silent event”, the school has never had a student drown.  Jon has a Biology degree, and has continued his education reading over 20,000      academic papers and countless books.
  2. The Perspective from  Jon’s experience.  
    A. After 7 years of curriculum development, in 1993, Jon began listing numerous AAs and incorporating their swimming function into his methodology.  
    B. All his students could swim! Why? All living modern humans, share 100+ AAs equally. and can swim well with a minimal instruction as a child. Weekly     1/2 hour lessons over 3 years (=72 hours of immersion), can teach 100% of students to swim down and across. C.  Why? All human races came from a single source population of Swimming and Running apes which Radiated across the Old World starting 2.4mya.
    D. All Archaics  (HN, HE, HH), were one powerful and capable species which swam well as  evidenced by widespread shell middens, ear exostoses and crossing of most aquatic barriers.
  3. Review of 100+ Aquatic Adaptations as created by members of  AAT@Groups.io,  which has been actively posting since 1999.  Group      Google Doc and shared Excel sheet.
  4. Why are our obvious AAs completely unrecognized by Science?!?  
    A. Most   adults swim poorly and have many misconceptions about who can swim and the process of swimming itself.  
    B. Up until 2004 the American Pediatric Society recommended against child instruction before age 7, after the window of opportunity to learn to swim  well which begins to close at age 6.  
    C.  Accessibility, Swimming pools are not attached to Elementary schools, rather High Schools and Middle schools.  
    D. All evolutionary Biologists drastically underestimate our divergence from Chimps.  They see similarities due to the OOAfrica theory.  D. Science has never considered swimming as a PRIMARY selector for our many differences from Gorilla, Orang and Pan (which can not swim.). This despite Swimming being the #1 leisure activity and #1 Olympic sport.


LAST TALK #17 JONATHON G FOSS

Jon Foss has  over 25 years experience as CEO of one of the world’s largest and most successive swim schools.  

In this talk, he gives us the benefit of his time competing and coaching swimming which led him to the conclusion that humans have a set of anatomical traits that give all of us the potential to become highly competent in water.

A detailed list of such traits is presented, some more speculative than others, but all consistent with the idea of humans having a more aquatic past.

Supporting Files

Here is the PDF Jon used in his presentation...

What Talk #17 Jon Foss (2) (pdf)Download

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